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Post by redshirt on Aug 16, 2007 17:13:47 GMT -6
I knew it!!!!! Time to sell all my books.  |
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Post by Ixos 2: the Sequel on Aug 17, 2007 21:20:20 GMT -6
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Post by redshirt on Aug 17, 2007 22:50:59 GMT -6
That on-line stuff looks stupid.  |
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Post by Ixos 2: the Sequel on Aug 18, 2007 0:39:30 GMT -6
That on-line stuff looks stupid. Agreed. DnD is not an MMO, it's a table-top RPG. If I wanna play an "RPG" on my computer, I'll play WoW (my characters are there for perpetuity, after all). But when I wanna play a real RPG, I would like to know something about them and be able to interact with the other people sitting at the table. For example, Moctus is a young man cursed to age rapidly and die of old age before his time. He's 24, but is forced to exist in the body of a 60 year old man. His only wish is to find a way to break the curse. He searches the world to try to find a cure for this curse, but is in possession of a Book that may hold the answers, if he's willing to pay the price. He isn't sure if he's willing to pay this very personal price, and so searches for other alternatives. Unfortunately, he's studied this Book intensively, and it has led him to contact with entities that exist outside of reality--a strange Far Realm. This study is slowly driving him insane. While he hopes to find a means to remove his curse, Moctus is willing to bargain with these Far Realm entities in the hopes that his curse may be, if not ended, at least halted. Moctus believes that the ends justify the means, and if it means that he won't die of old age at 27, he is willing to pay almost any price. Compare that with my highest level WoW character: Tustavus is a 61 UD shadow spec priest. Hmm, which offers the richer role-playing experience? Which would you rather meet? Who would you rather play with? "Holy crap, Moctus just stabbed that prisoner in the foot!" or "OMGHEALHEALFUCKINHEAL!!!1!" It seems as if WotC is pushing DnD to be an online rpg, and that sucks. My world is not a pixelated representation in 1" grids. My characters are not lame CG facsimiles that all share the same generic, boring expression. My dragon is not the dragon that the programmers have created for me to look at. My world, my characters, my dragon all exist in my imagination and the imaginations of my fellow players--all of you who play in my games. Is my dragon the same as your dragon? Of course not. And that's the beauty of it. The game exists in your mind, and nobody can tell you that you're wrong. To me, the dragon Inferno is one of the most powerful forces for evil in the world and must be destroyed. To you, Inferno is a source of magical secrets that must be defeated so that you can study his lore. To her, Inferno killed her family, and justice demands his death. Put Inferno on the computer screen, and what does he represent? Nothing more than the next enemy to be defeated. And phat loots. Putting the game into a computer cheapens and kills what I think of as DnD. Characters become nothing more than numbers, and story becomes nothing more than just another "instance." Having said all that, I think I'm going to take a wait and see attitude with 4e. I'm sure I'll end up buying the (damn) books, but I absolutely hate the online thing. I watched the YouTube videos, and I'm still undecided. I really don't see the need for 4e. But then I said that about 3e, and, well... Do you agree/disagree? I'm interested to hear your opinions. And I apologize for the rant. Partially. This is something I feel passionately about. |
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Post by Xombie on Aug 18, 2007 6:37:13 GMT -6
Soooooo, is that a no on the new books?  |
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Post by Ixos 2: the Sequel on Aug 18, 2007 11:28:59 GMT -6
That's what I meant.  Just got a little carried away. An over-reaction. With 3e it seemed as if the game was trying to "force" you to use minis, and we don't use em. So the 4e online thing will probably be like that. If everybody wants to switch to 4e when it comes out, I'm cool with that. |
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Post by redshirt on Aug 18, 2007 13:22:41 GMT -6
Ok, ive been ready all i can on the boards on 4e and i have to say im not as upset as i was. Some of the changes i have read actually seem to be good. Overall i am still waiting for a more detailed report, but im a bit more optomistic.
Heck, i just read you can play paladins of any alignment... It cant be all bad. ;D
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Post by redshirt on Aug 18, 2007 13:26:36 GMT -6
And the Vancian spell casting system is mostly gone... Hmmm, wonder what is taking its place...
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Post by redshirt on Aug 18, 2007 14:15:11 GMT -6
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Post by Ixos 2: the Sequel on Aug 19, 2007 9:15:13 GMT -6
And the Vancian spell casting system is mostly gone... Hmmm, wonder what is taking its place... I still think that everything is going to the maneuver system in ToB; which is cool, but not for everybody. And I really don't like the idea of a spell point system. But yeah, some of the changes seem alright, just going on guesswork. I don't know, the digital thing seems kind of...underhanded? When I buy a book, what am I paying for? The book, obviously, but also online stuff? And then I have to pay (monthly) to be able to access that stuff online that I already paid for with the book? Doesn't seem right. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what it sounds like they're saying. |
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Post by Ixos 2: the Sequel on Aug 19, 2007 16:35:23 GMT -6
A couple quotes that leave me cautiously optimistic:
James Wyatt, giving a typical example of 3e encounter/adventure structure and PC tactics:
I like this idea (the idea of not resting after every good fight, that is), if it is done "right." (No, I don't know what "right" means, exactly...)
Mike Mearls, putting some concerns "to rest...":
Again, I like this, but my enthusiasm is tempered by the knowledge that Mearls is a game designer working on 4e; he will, of course, tell us what we want to hear...
So I guess I'm less pissed about 4e than I was a day or two ago. Like I said, I'm cautiously optimistic. Some of the changes sound good, others sound bad. I guess I'll just wait and see what's up with the new edition before passing judgment. (Trying not to be pissed about the D&DI thing; I'll wait to be pissed when I know exactly what it means...)
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Post by redshirt on Aug 19, 2007 17:12:34 GMT -6
I have to say that most of the changes I've read about so far have made me very excited. The only one I have a problem with so far is the whole "everyone has a role in the party" thing. While i know most people like the "big 4 party", i hate to make someone play a cleric for example. Playing a cleric sucks and I don't like trying to make someone play one, even tho i see the need for one in the party.
If the "new sources of power" they talk about make playing a cleric, or any other class, more appealing then I'm all for it.
The DDI content is fine with me as i don't have to have it. That's not to say i wont sign up for the new content cuz I'm sure i will. Having my characters on-line so i can print them off with all the relevant rules sounds very good to me.
Well i know how Ixos and i feel about it. What does everyone else think. I'm kind of curious.
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Post by redshirt on Aug 19, 2007 20:19:20 GMT -6
Just read a blog by one of the WoTc people and he said that wizards will be able to cast 25th level spells!!  |
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Post by Xombie on Aug 20, 2007 6:49:52 GMT -6
the levels now go to 30 it said.........somewhere.......on the net.........i heard it i swear
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Post by redshirt on Aug 20, 2007 18:49:13 GMT -6
the levels now go to 30 it said.........somewhere.......on the net.........i heard it i swear Yup, Epic is now core. Hmmm, wonder what is after Epic... |
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Post by Gir on Aug 20, 2007 19:01:49 GMT -6
my thoughts.... just because they make a new version does not mean that we have to buy it or use it... so there!  |
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Post by Gir on Aug 20, 2007 19:02:45 GMT -6
BTW my thoughs cost 1$ each and I know you're going to buy the new stuff anyway.... *sigh* you guys and you're spending habbits....
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Post by redshirt on Aug 21, 2007 16:47:42 GMT -6
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Post by Ixos 2: the Sequel on Aug 21, 2007 17:45:51 GMT -6
the levels now go to 30 it said.........somewhere.......on the net.........i heard it i swear Yup, Epic is now core. Hmmm, wonder what is after Epic... Unless, of course, epic starts at 31. I read that one of the devs said that epic will be supported in 4e; it would suck if that means that 21-30 is epic and that's all you get. In 3.x, epic was theoretically infinite. Course, none of us have ever gotten a character to 20, so it's kind of a non-issue... (Whisper doesn't count; she cheated, using a deck of many things, and I don't think I even played her after she hit 21...) (And I should really wait an hour to post this...) |
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Post by Ixos 2: the Sequel on Aug 21, 2007 17:51:22 GMT -6
...and I know you're going to buy the new stuff anyway.... *sigh* Well, yeah! We'll have to try it out! That doesn't mean that we have to switch. If I like it, I still have my Friday game to use 4e. And if not, I still have enough 3.x stuff to last a lifetime (unless 5e is cool...). |
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Post by redshirt on Aug 22, 2007 18:40:36 GMT -6
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Post by Ixos 2: the Sequel on Aug 22, 2007 19:25:16 GMT -6
I remember when demons were demons! And devils were devils!
And then they were baatezu and tanar'ri!
And then they were demons and devils again while being baatezu and tanar'ri at the same time!
I remember when Demogorgon had ape heads!
Then he had hyena heads!
And then he had ape heads!
Or is it hyena heads? Maybe one ape, one hyena? And why the hell does Graz'zt control more of the Abyss than Demogorgon? I mean, isn't Demogorgon supposed to be the be-all-end-all of demon lords? And what's up with Orcus? Demon Lord of the Undead, but he despises undead? I don't get it. Shouldn't he be some skeletal thing? I mean, he's a big red pot-bellied ram-headed dude with a fancy stick. What in tarnation does that have to do with being Demon Lord of the Undead?
Oh, excuse me...
I remember when Orcus had a pot belly!
And then he didn't have a pot belly!
You kids don't know how easy you have it!
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Post by Gir on Aug 23, 2007 19:01:04 GMT -6
Back in your day dinosaurs roamed the earth... you had to walk 10 miles to and from school in 20 feet of snow, uphill both ways... oh, and Orcus was real! hehehe.... so he went on a diet when he knew he was getting famous(wanted a better image)... but as we all know, diets only work temporarily...
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Post by redshirt on Sept 4, 2007 18:55:48 GMT -6
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Post by Ixos 2: the Sequel on Sept 4, 2007 23:35:25 GMT -6
Hmm...
1. What does this have to do with 4e?
2. Are you telling me you're planning on replacing your previous addiction with a new one?
3. It looks like WoW lite. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing...
4. I also like free!
5. Have you tried the game? Are you suggesting that the rest of us try it?
6. I'm willing to do so if I'm not alone.
7. Need more info.
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Post by redshirt on Sept 5, 2007 17:16:36 GMT -6
Hmm... 1. What does this have to do with 4e? 2. Are you telling me you're planning on replacing your previous addiction with a new one? 3. It looks like WoW lite. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing... 4. I also like free! 5. Have you tried the game? Are you suggesting that the rest of us try it? 6. I'm willing to do so if I'm not alone. 7. Need more info. 1.nothing, i just did'nt want to start a new thread and this one was already bushwacked. ;D 2.Nope. See below 3.Try crossing WOW with Diablo 2, but not in a good way. 4.Free is good. I like free. 5.Yes i have. No im not. 6.You may be alone 7.Without paying for a full account the game is very limited, but if you have a free couple of hours and want a different game, give it a try. Otherwise stay away. Just posted for kicks.... |
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Post by Ixos 2: the Sequel on Sept 5, 2007 19:08:41 GMT -6
Ah. Okay.
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Post by redshirt on Sept 9, 2007 21:20:43 GMT -6
update: game sucks, dont bother
100 posts ftw.
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Post by Ixos 2: the Sequel on Sept 10, 2007 16:25:48 GMT -6
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Post by Ixos 2: the Sequel on Sept 18, 2007 21:08:52 GMT -6
Alright, let's see if I can get this one to work (stupid message board!). 4e PHB preorderAlso, the one I'm a tad more interested in: Keep on the Shadowfell, the adventure with "quick start" rules. Preview of the 4e rules, but it looks like it's hardcover, so that's quite an adventure to play through. But hey, it has maps for minis! (And they might possibly be compatible with the old minis game!) And the best thing: I was wrong about the cover price. Looks like you can pre-order for $20 (list $30, and I had predicted $40). Nice. I pretty much have to get these, I think. Haven't seen the DMG or MM but I will dig a little deeper. Just thought that some of you might be interested. |
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